<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I think there's little point in pursuing this further. We went through the whole froo-frah about this back when MacPorts was called DarwinPorts and darwinports.com was first brought to the project's attention. At that time, we negotiated unsuccessfully for the domain transfer and ultimately chose to change the project name to MacPorts and extensively rebrand the project (after, of course, obtaining all the appropriate macports domains this time around).<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>The matter should now rest since it's hard enough just enforcing your <i>actual</i> project name much less going after derivatives. What next? Someone could register any one of macosports.com, macosxports.com, macsoftwareports.com, etc etc (all of which are closer to macports and even more likely to cause confusion) and the project would quickly find itself spending more time chasing people with sticks than actually maintaining ports. The darwinports.com horse is already dead and buried, and the set of folks who still remember it as "darwinports" is a decreasing number of people, so at some point the problem will ultimately solve itself.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>- Jordan</div><div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 7, 2008, at 10:55 PM, Ryan Schmidt wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Well, we're aware that this problem exists. Partly as a result of this problem, since no agreement on the transfer of the domain name into our control could be reached, the name of the project was changed to MacPorts. The correct official web site for this project is <a href="http://www.macports.org/">http://www.macports.org/</a> . It was previously <a href="http://www.darwinports.org/">http://www.darwinports.org/</a> . It has never been darwinports dot com.<br><br>I don't know if anyone has attempted to contact the owner of darwinports dot com recently to negotiate a transfer. I'd be happy to do so on behalf of the project if desired, but we should coordinate this so that we don't all independently try to contact him. Someone from portmgr should chime in here and advise.<br><br><br>On Jan 8, 2008, at 00:38, Michael Witten wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Maintainers of MacPorts,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">There is a fairly benign, but terribly frustrating<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">issue with which you should deal swiftly.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Somebody by the name of Mat Caughron is running a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">mirror of the MacPorts project at<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="http://darwinports.com/">http://darwinports.com/</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Unfortunately, such a usually kind favor is actually<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">a mischievous attempt to garner advertisement revenue<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and glean user email addresses.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">While these ulterior motives are trashy, what disturbs<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">me most is the confusion that results from 2 seemingly<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">viable ports systems, especially since Mat Caughron not<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">only hosts the system under the name DarwinPorts, but he<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">also tries to hide the direct connection with MacPorts.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Which one is the "correct" system?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">This semblance of disorganization and trashiness drives<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">people away from open source or at least to other projects<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">like fink.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">It is a branding issue.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I advise the following:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>(1)<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Clarify the situation in the FAQ, in the Wiki,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>and on the main page.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>It should be stated in rather clear terms that<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>darwinports.com is attempting to rebrand MacPorts<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>mischievously for email gathering and unwarranted<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>advertisement revenue.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>A strong statement makes it clear which project<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>is official.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>(2)<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Explicitly state somewhere that derivatives must<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>acknowledge MacPorts clearly; this will help with<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>future troubles.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>(3)<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Try to negotiate the transfer of the ownership of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>darwinports.com to the MacPorts team; he can app-<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>arently be contacted at<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Mat Caughron<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>(408) 910-1266<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="mailto:caughron@gmail.com">caughron@gmail.com</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>In any case, this subject of darwinports.com came up<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>once in discussions:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="http://osdir.com/ml/opendarwin.darwinports/2004-02/msg00090.html">http://osdir.com/ml/opendarwin.darwinports/2004-02/msg00090.html</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>and though Mat Caughron pretended to be a novice, who<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>was just having fun and trying to support a project, it<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>came to light that he had tried and is still trying to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>peddle other projects:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="http://osdir.com/ml/opendarwin.darwinports/2004-02/msg00091.html">http://osdir.com/ml/opendarwin.darwinports/2004-02/msg00091.html</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Furthermore, James Berry contacted Mat Caughron a couple<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>of years ago in order to resolve this point of contention<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>by initiating a transfer of the domain ownership to the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>project. In return, Matt Caughron required a PowerBook.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>With (1), it won't really matter if this transaction<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>is refused.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sincerely,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Michael Witten<br></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br>macports-dev mailing list<br><a href="mailto:macports-dev@lists.macosforge.org">macports-dev@lists.macosforge.org</a><br>http://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-dev<br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>