Hi list, The company I work for is currently searching for a platform to share calendars and schedule meetings for its employees. As users are all using MS Outlook and ActiveSync to sync data with several flavours of smartphones or PDA, the client side of the problem is done. The first idea for the server side is use MS Exchange. Deploying some sort of MS server won't be a pleasure for me : in the past years MS servers have been replaced by Unix ones, so I'm searching for an alternative. Since Leopard release is known to be planned in October 2007, I ask you about the Darwin Calender Server status. - Is it (near to) production ready ? - Is the code usable in a production environment ? Not being well packaged won't be a big problem. - Are there missing features ? Apple announced [1] Outlook ability to connect an iCalserver via an opensource connector. Is the connector developed at Apple or is it a third party project ? Which one ? Thanks in advance. Regards, -Guillaume- [1] http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/leopard/icalserver.html
Hi Guillaume On Jul 10, 2007, at 15:49, Guillaume LACHENAL wrote:
The company I work for is currently searching for a platform to share calendars and schedule meetings for its employees.
As users are all using MS Outlook and ActiveSync to sync data with several flavours of smartphones or PDA, the client side of the problem is done. The first idea for the server side is use MS Exchange. Deploying some sort of MS server won't be a pleasure for me : in the past years MS servers have been replaced by Unix ones, so I'm searching for an alternative.
You may have a look at Scalable Opengroupware.org (SOGo), a opensource CalDAV server: http://sogo.opengroupware.org/ We, at Inverse, have been working actively in the past few months on this project, so much we have a specific branch in the SVN repository. You can read more about our contributions on our site: http://www.inverse.ca/english/contributions/sogo.html Even though it's coded in Objective-C, we haven't tried nor documented the installation of SOGo on Mac OS X. Since we don't have access to a developer version of Leopard, I don't know how well it can communicate with the new CalDAV-enabled iCal.app. However, it's very promising as both should speak the same language (WebDAV/ CalDAV). SOGo is currently fully compatible with the Mozilla Calendar applications (Lightning and Sunbird).
Apple announced [1] Outlook ability to connect an iCalserver via an opensource connector. Is the connector developed at Apple or is it a third party project ? Which one ?
I would really like to know the answer ;) http://openconnector.org/ ? -- Francis
On 2007.07.10 16:19 -0400, Francis Lachapelle wrote: (...)
You may have a look at Scalable Opengroupware.org (SOGo), a opensource CalDAV server:
Thanks for info (...)
Even though it's coded in Objective-C, we haven't tried nor documented the installation of SOGo on Mac OS X. Since we don't have
No problem if it's installable on any flavour of Unix (*Linux/*BSD/Solaris/...)
access to a developer version of Leopard, I don't know how well it can communicate with the new CalDAV-enabled iCal.app. However, it's very promising as both should speak the same language (WebDAV/ CalDAV). SOGo is currently fully compatible with the Mozilla Calendar applications (Lightning and Sunbird).
Is there any way to use Outlook as a client ? (...) Regards, -Guillaume-
On Jul 10, 2007, at 12:49 PM, Guillaume LACHENAL wrote:
Since Leopard release is known to be planned in October 2007, I ask you about the Darwin Calender Server status. - Is it (near to) production ready ? - Is the code usable in a production environment ? Not being well packaged won't be a big problem. - Are there missing features ?
It's pretty near to complete. As to what's not complete or being worked on, see trac.calendarserver.org.
Apple announced [1] Outlook ability to connect an iCalserver via an opensource connector. Is the connector developed at Apple or is it a third party project ? Which one ?
I'm pretty sure Apple announced no such thing, but there is this project, which is potentially one way to get there: http://openconnector.org/ -wsv — Wilfredo Sánchez - wsanchez@wsanchez.net
On 2007.07.10 14:07 -0700, Wilfredo S?nchez Vega wrote: (...)
It's pretty near to complete. As to what's not complete or being worked on, see trac.calendarserver.org.
Is there someone on list (or Apple) currently using or testing calendarserver with an Outlook client ? (...) -Guillaume->
Hi Guillaume, --On July 11, 2007 11:14:36 AM +0200 Guillaume LACHENAL <guillaume@lachenal.net> wrote:
It's pretty near to complete. As to what's not complete or being worked on, see trac.calendarserver.org.
Is there someone on list (or Apple) currently using or testing calendarserver with an Outlook client ?
Again, checkout <http://openconnector.org> - they are actively working on an Outlook plugin that will enable CalDAV support. If it works with CalDAV it will work with our server. I am sure they would like to hear from people who would actually want to use such a plugin, and also I suspect they would welcome help from developers or testers wanting to help out and get a quality release. -- Cyrus Daboo
On 2007.07.11 09:34 -0400, Cyrus Daboo wrote: (...)
Again, checkout <http://openconnector.org> - they are actively working on an Outlook plugin that will enable CalDAV support. If it works with CalDAV it will work with our server. I am sure they would like to hear from people who would actually want to use such a plugin, and also I suspect they would welcome help from developers or testers wanting to help out and get a quality release.
Is it this plugin Apple plan to ship or recommend when iCalServer will be released with Leopard ? Is there another solution in development at Apple Inc ? Regards, -Guillaume-
Hello Guillaume, I don't know what Apple's plans are but the OpenConnector plugin should fit your needs. We plan to have a stable release in the next month or two. I had been meaning to get testing against Calendar Server started this week, but haven't had much luck getting it up and running. I am hoping we get access to a maintained Calendar Server instance so we can focus on the client development only. The client still needs some work. I'm working on Outlook 2007 support right now. Plus there are are a list of performance and feature improvements planned for the first release. We can always use developers. If you have Win32/COM/MAPI/C++ experience, then you can probably help. Best regards, Kervin --- Guillaume LACHENAL <guillaume@lachenal.net> wrote:
On 2007.07.11 09:34 -0400, Cyrus Daboo wrote:
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Again, checkout <http://openconnector.org> - they are actively working on an Outlook plugin that will enable CalDAV support. If it works with CalDAV it will work with our server. I am sure they would like to hear from people who would actually want to use such a plugin, and also I suspect they would welcome help from developers or testers wanting to help out and get a quality release.
Is it this plugin Apple plan to ship or recommend when iCalServer will be released with Leopard ? Is there another solution in development at Apple Inc ?
Regards,
-Guillaume-
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Kevin, If you need a stable Calendar Server to test against, contact me off list. I'll hook you up. Matt On Jul 11, 2007, at 9:46 AM, Kervin L. Pierre wrote:
Hello Guillaume,
I don't know what Apple's plans are but the OpenConnector plugin should fit your needs. We plan to have a stable release in the next month or two.
I had been meaning to get testing against Calendar Server started this week, but haven't had much luck getting it up and running. I am hoping we get access to a maintained Calendar Server instance so we can focus on the client development only.
The client still needs some work. I'm working on Outlook 2007 support right now. Plus there are are a list of performance and feature improvements planned for the first release.
We can always use developers. If you have Win32/COM/MAPI/C++ experience, then you can probably help.
Best regards, Kervin
--- Guillaume LACHENAL <guillaume@lachenal.net> wrote:
On 2007.07.11 09:34 -0400, Cyrus Daboo wrote:
(...)
Again, checkout <http://openconnector.org> - they are actively working on an Outlook plugin that will enable CalDAV support. If it works with CalDAV it will work with our server. I am sure they would like to hear from people who would actually want to use such a plugin, and also I suspect they would welcome help from developers or testers wanting to help out and get a quality release.
Is it this plugin Apple plan to ship or recommend when iCalServer will be released with Leopard ? Is there another solution in development at Apple Inc ?
Regards,
-Guillaume-
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Hi Kervin, On 2007.07.11 07:46 -0700, Kervin L. Pierre wrote:
Hello Guillaume,
I don't know what Apple's plans are but the OpenConnector plugin should fit your needs. We plan to have a stable release in the next month or two.
I've watch the video available on openconnector.org which make me think your project is a good one. At the first time, looking at the website, mailing-lists and svn activity, I estimated the project seems dead. Sorry Is there an estimated release date for a new snapshot ? (...)
The client still needs some work. I'm working on Outlook 2007 support right now. Plus there are are a list of performance and feature improvements planned for the first release.
Which versions of Outlook are currently (or planned to be) supported ? I think the project need some more doc. I may contribute later ;-)
We can always use developers. If you have Win32/COM/MAPI/C++ experience, then you can probably help.
Sorry, not on my skils list ;-) Regards, -Guillaume-
On Jul 11, 2007, at 4:14 AM, Guillaume LACHENAL wrote:
On 2007.07.10 14:07 -0700, Wilfredo S?nchez Vega wrote: (...)
It's pretty near to complete. As to what's not complete or being worked on, see trac.calendarserver.org.
Is there someone on list (or Apple) currently using or testing calendarserver with an Outlook client ?
Not likely with Darwin Calendar Server. Outlook only understands calendars when communicating with a MAPI provider (Exchange). The only way to make it communicate with another calendar client is by writing an Outlook plugin, which is what the Open Connector folks are working on. There are other groups that have done this before: http://www.zimbra.com/products/desktop_compatibility.html The Zimbra team wrote their own MAPI connector but it only works with their client. Their project is open source. I'm not sure if that's something that can be leveraged or not. Matt Simerson Unix Roto-Rooter Layered Technologies, Inc. On-Demand Utility Computing & Hosting Solutions Learn more>> http://www.layeredtechnologies.com
On 2007.07.11 10:07 -0500, Matt Simerson wrote:
On Jul 11, 2007, at 4:14 AM, Guillaume LACHENAL wrote:
On 2007.07.10 14:07 -0700, Wilfredo S?nchez Vega wrote: (...)
It's pretty near to complete. As to what's not complete or being worked on, see trac.calendarserver.org.
Is there someone on list (or Apple) currently using or testing calendarserver with an Outlook client ?
Not likely with Darwin Calendar Server.
Outlook only understands calendars when communicating with a MAPI provider (Exchange). The only way to make it communicate with another calendar client is by writing an Outlook plugin, which is what the Open Connector folks are working on.
There are other groups that have done this before: http://www.zimbra.com/products/desktop_compatibility.html
The Zimbra team wrote their own MAPI connector but it only works with their client. Their project is open source. I'm not sure if that's something that can be leveraged or not.
I think you wanted to write "only works with their *server*" Regarding all replies on this thread, we'll surely choose calendarserver + OpenConnector for Outlook clients. Thanks to everyone -Guillaume-
participants (6)
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Cyrus Daboo
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Francis Lachapelle
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Guillaume LACHENAL
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Kervin L. Pierre
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Matt Simerson
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Wilfredo Sánchez Vega