On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:46:55 +0100, Quinn wrote:

As long as you still need to support 10.4.x you'd be better off just using "OnDemand". It's supported, albeit deprecated, on 10.5.

Well, the StartupItem still works under Tiger, so I'll just drop support for that in the launchd plist. The "KeepAlive" functionality is much more worthwhile to me than getting rid of the StartupItem under Tiger. Incidentally--and a bit off-topic--is there an easy way to get the Mac OS X/Darwin version number from a bash script so I can install either the StartupItem of launchd plist? I think I saw one once, but the only thing that immediately comes to mind is to parse the output of `hostinfo` and I don't like that idea. I can ask on darwin-dev if that's more appropriate.

My guess is that this is related to networking. Startup items, since 10.4, have automatically been given a dependency on networking for compatibility reasons. If you convert to launchd, you lose that dependency and it's likely you come up /way/ before the networking stack. Lots of traditional UNIX code doesn't handle that well.

I'll try to look at the sysmond source and see what checks the original author was doing in terms of the networking side of things. You're probably right that it's likely very little and/or doesn't handle it gracefully.

Just for the sake of debugging this, have you tried adding "NetworkState" to your property list (in the "KeepAlive" dictionary, as documented by <x-man-page://5/launchd.plist>). This will prevent you from coming up until the network is up. It's not the long-term solution to this problem, but it would allow you determine whether the problem is networking or something else.

I had looked at that key, but hadn't tried it yet. I'll give it a shot and see what results I get. I'm assuming--please correct me if I'm wrong--that that will kill the sysmond process if the network goes down? If so, it's definitely not a long term solution as sysmon is a network monitoring utility. ;) Morgan Aldridge --- morgant@makkintosshu.com http://www.makkintosshu.com/