# Moving from Trac ticket #14342
No, py25-foo can have different dependencies than py-foo. I don't know what you wanted to tell us with this.
I meant if we would change python24 to drop some standard modules like the current python25 port does, py-foo and py25-foo's dependencies would be the same. Not sure this is 100% same but almost the same I assume.
And there is no problem that we have more py-* ports than py25-* ports. We just add what people request. If nobody needs a port, but it is in the tree, it is just more work for maintainers. So if you need some port, ask for it.
No problem, but Python project now recommend users to use python2.5, not 2.4. Providing a lot of ports to python25 users would encourage users to use python2.5. Some people don't bother to write reports even if they want. I like to add more py25- ports to make python25 looks more *atrractive*. Forwarded Conversation Subject: [MacPorts] #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't ------------------------ From: MacPorts <trac@macosforge.org> Reply-To: noreply@macosforge.org To: ebgssth@gmail.com, macports-tickets@lists.macosforge.org Cc: mww@macports.org Date: Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 11:51 AM #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't -------------------------------+-------------------------------------------- Reporter: ebgssth@gmail.com | Owner: macports-tickets@lists.macosforge.org Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: Normal | Milestone: Port Enhancements Component: ports | Version: 1.6.0 Keywords: python | -------------------------------+-------------------------------------------- Python2.5 disables common modules by default, but python2.4 doesn't. See dports/lang/python25/files/patch-setup.py {{{ # This global variable is used to hold the list of modules to be disabled. -disabled_module_list = [] +disabled_module_list = ["zlib","_hashlib","_ssl","_bsddb","_sqlite3","_tkinter","bz2","gdbm","readline","_curses","_curses_panel"] }}} IMHO, all python pors should be as similar as they can be. -- Ticket URL: <http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/macports/ticket/14342> MacPorts </projects/macports> Ports system for Mac OS -------- From: MacPorts <trac@macosforge.org> Reply-To: noreply@macosforge.org To: ebgssth@gmail.com, macports-tickets@lists.macosforge.org Cc: mww@macports.org Date: Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 11:52 AM #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't --------------------------------+------------------------------------------- Reporter: ebgssth@gmail.com | Owner: macports-tickets@lists.macosforge.org Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: Normal | Milestone: Port Enhancements Component: ports | Version: 1.6.0 Resolution: | Keywords: python --------------------------------+------------------------------------------- Comment (by ebgssth@gmail.com): If there's a reason, please make it clear by leaving comments about that on the patch file. -- Ticket URL: <http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/macports/ticket/14342#comment:1> [Quoted text hidden] -------- From: MacPorts <trac@macosforge.org> Reply-To: noreply@macosforge.org To: ebgssth@gmail.com, macports-tickets@lists.macosforge.org Cc: mww@macports.org Date: Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 12:02 PM #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't --------------------------------+------------------------------------------- Reporter: ebgssth@gmail.com | Owner: macports-tickets@lists.macosforge.org Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: Normal | Milestone: Port Enhancements Component: ports | Version: 1.6.0 Resolution: | Keywords: python --------------------------------+------------------------------------------- Comment (by raimue@macports.org): These are provided as seperate ports. For example py25-hashlib, py25-zlib and others. I don't know what the advantage of that was, but we already had that discussion once. Portfile writers should include correct dependencies. -- Ticket URL: <http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/macports/ticket/14342#comment:2> [Quoted text hidden] -------- From: MacPorts <trac@macosforge.org> Reply-To: noreply@macosforge.org To: ebgssth@gmail.com, macports-tickets@lists.macosforge.org Cc: mww@macports.org Date: Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 12:18 PM #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't --------------------------------+------------------------------------------- Reporter: ebgssth@gmail.com | Owner: macports-tickets@lists.macosforge.org Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: Normal | Milestone: Port Enhancements Component: ports | Version: 1.6.0 Resolution: | Keywords: python --------------------------------+------------------------------------------- Comment (by ebgssth@gmail.com): I think that's OK, but the thing is python24 doesn't drop these modules. It's a weird... -- Ticket URL: <http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/macports/ticket/14342#comment:3> [Quoted text hidden] -------- From: MacPorts <trac@macosforge.org> Reply-To: noreply@macosforge.org To: ebgssth@gmail.com, macports-tickets@lists.macosforge.org Cc: mww@macports.org Date: Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 12:44 PM #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't --------------------------------+------------------------------------------- Reporter: ebgssth@gmail.com | Owner: macports-tickets@lists.macosforge.org Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: Normal | Milestone: Port Enhancements Component: ports | Version: 1.6.0 Resolution: | Keywords: python --------------------------------+------------------------------------------- Comment (by raimue@macports.org): If we were going to change this, it would require to change dependencies in nearly all py-* ports. -- Ticket URL: <http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/macports/ticket/14342#comment:4> [Quoted text hidden] -------- From: MacPorts <trac@macosforge.org> Reply-To: noreply@macosforge.org To: ebgssth@gmail.com, macports-tickets@lists.macosforge.org Cc: mww@macports.org Date: Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 1:59 PM #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't --------------------------------+------------------------------------------- Reporter: ebgssth@gmail.com | Owner: macports-tickets@lists.macosforge.org Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: Normal | Milestone: Port Enhancements Component: ports | Version: 1.6.0 Resolution: | Keywords: python --------------------------------+------------------------------------------- Comment (by ebgssth@gmail.com): Replying to [comment:4 raimue@macports.org]:
If we were going to change this, it would require to change dependencies in nearly all py-* ports.
Yes, we probably have to check py-ports that was not in py25 ports {{{ $ port list |egrep -i '^py-' | cut -d" " -f1 | sort -u > py24 $ port list |egrep -i '^py25-' | cut -d" " -f1 | sed 's/^py25/py/' | sort -u > py25 $ wc -l py2[45] 338 py24 109 py25 447 total $ comm -2 -3 py24 py25 > py24-only $ wc -l py24-only 259 py24-only }}} How about create py25- ports of all 259 py24 only ports? To create py25-ports, we need to know the port need zlib or hashlib, which helps identify this py24 ports should be fixed. -- Ticket URL: <http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/macports/ticket/14342#comment:5> [Quoted text hidden] -------- From: MacPorts <trac@macosforge.org> Reply-To: noreply@macosforge.org To: ebgssth@gmail.com, macports-tickets@lists.macosforge.org Cc: mww@macports.org Date: Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 6:27 PM #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't --------------------------------+------------------------------------------- Reporter: ebgssth@gmail.com | Owner: macports-tickets@lists.macosforge.org Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: Normal | Milestone: Port Enhancements Component: ports | Version: 1.6.0 Resolution: | Keywords: python --------------------------------+------------------------------------------- Comment (by ebgssth@gmail.com): From a different point of view, that MacPorts has lots more python2.4 ports than python2.5's seems weird to me. (Python 2.5 is the current stable, Python 2.4 series will be no longer released anymore) Should I open another ticket about this problem? -- Ticket URL: <http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/macports/ticket/14342#comment:6> [Quoted text hidden] -------- From: MacPorts <trac@macosforge.org> Reply-To: noreply@macosforge.org To: ebgssth@gmail.com, macports-tickets@lists.macosforge.org Cc: mww@macports.org Date: Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 9:33 PM #14342: python25 drops modules by default, but python25 doesn't --------------------------------+------------------------------------------- Reporter: ebgssth@gmail.com | Owner: macports-tickets@lists.macosforge.org Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: Normal | Milestone: Port Enhancements Component: ports | Version: 1.6.0 Resolution: | Keywords: python --------------------------------+------------------------------------------- Comment (by raimue@macports.org): Replying to [comment:5 ebgssth@gmail.com]:
Yes, we probably have to check py-ports that was not in py25 ports
No, py25-foo can have different dependencies than py-foo. I don't know what you wanted to tell us with this. And there is no problem that we have more py-* ports than py25-* ports. We just add what people request. If nobody needs a port, but it is in the tree, it is just more work for maintainers. So if you need some port, ask for it. PS: This kind of discussion would have been better on the mailing list. -- Ticket URL: <http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/macports/ticket/14342#comment:7> [Quoted text hidden] --------