>> How is one supposed to find that out? Jordan> Run emacs. :-) Jordan> If you look at the startup screen text, you'll see: GNU Emacs Jordan> 22.1.1 (mac-apple-darwin, Carbon Version 1.6.0) of 2008-01-30 on Jordan> localhost On my laptop /Applications/Emacs.app is dated Dec 3 2003. When I try to start it I get a crash dialog: The application Emacs quit unexpectedly. Mac OS X and other applications are not affected. ... [Ignore] [Report] [Relaunch] I imagine that got copied from my G4 laptop via SetupAssistant given what I found in the crash log: Process: Emacs [48538] Path: /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs Identifier: com.gnu.Emacs Version: ??? (???) Code Type: PPC (Translated) Parent Process: launchd [189] Should I have expected it to work? There's also something called EmacsStep.app in /Applications. That starts and runs, giving this summary of who he is: This is GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i386-apple-darwin8.10.1, *Step 9.0rc3) of 2007-11-25 on hermes.mshome.net That app is dated Nov 25 2007. -- Skip Montanaro - skip@pobox.com - http://www.webfast.com/~skip/