I think i understand now, it is problibly a confilict twixt the macports install and the mac install of gnu texinfo, this did not previously work on my machine but i probibly need to remove the darwinports emacs also, thats what i would get before. -- "lalalalala! it's not broken because I can use it" http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=194281&threshold=1&commentsort=0&m...