"However, please be aware that as of today, it is not possible to submit, on the AppStore (the iOS AppStore), an application that has been written using MacRuby :-(."

. . . Yet . . .

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  1. Re: Hotcocoa or not? (Thibault Martin-Lagardette)
  2. Re: Hotcocoa or not? (Buddy Lindsey, Jr.)
  3. Re: Hotcocoa or not? (Henry Maddocks)
  4. Re: Hotcocoa or not? (Benjamin Almeida)
  5. Re: Hotcocoa or not? (Jordan K. Hubbard)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:03:02 +0100
From: Thibault Martin-Lagardette <thibault.ml@gmail.com>
To: "MacRuby development discussions."
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Subject: Re: [MacRuby-devel] Hotcocoa or not?
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Hi Buddy,

I would advise to use the "regular" way, aka using Xcode, Interface Builder etc.
I could think of two reasons for that:
1/ HotCocoa is, as far as I know, not maintained anymore
2/ By using Interface Builder, you'll learn more about writing Cocoa apps, wether it is in MacRuby or Objective-C :-)

However, please be aware that as of today, it is not possible to submit, on the AppStore (the iOS AppStore), an application that has been written using MacRuby :-(.
Sincerely,
--
Thibault Martin-Lagardette



On Jan 1, 2011, at 05:09, Buddy Lindsey, Jr. wrote:

> All,
>
> I am just starting with MacRuby and am kind of confused. There seems to be 2 ways to do GUI development. Hotcocoa or Pure Cocoa API. My confusion is on which one is best I like hotcocoa because it seems fairly straight forward on doing GUI stuff, the little I have looked at it, but seems to rely on Cocoa API where there aren't any mappings. However, I can use interface builder and xcode more easily going with the pure cocoa api. I also am very confused when doing anything with interface builder so I am leaning toward hotcocoa.
>
> As a note on my background. I just got my first mac in July and started doing anything with ruby [on rails] in August. I come from a web development background so desktop apps are a bit new to me.
>
> Anyone have any advice, comments, and or words of wisdom all they way around? My goals is to make a fairly simple app I can put into the AppStore.
>
> Thanks
> Buddy
>
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 13:22:02 -0600
From: "Buddy Lindsey, Jr." <percent20@gmail.com>
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Ahh, okay. I think i'll proceed with doing it the regular way.

I was actually hoping to submit to the Mac AppStore. I hope they allow on
there if it is a self contained app.

Thanks for the reply
Buddy

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On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Thibault Martin-Lagardette <thibault.ml@
gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Buddy,
>
> I would advise to use the "regular" way, aka using Xcode, Interface Builder
> etc.
> I could think of two reasons for that:
> 1/ HotCocoa is, as far as I know, not maintained anymore
> 2/ By using Interface Builder, you'll learn more about writing Cocoa apps,
> wether it is in MacRuby or Objective-C :-)
>
> However, please be aware that as of today, it is not possible to submit, on
> the AppStore (the iOS AppStore), an application that has been written using
> MacRuby :-(.
> Sincerely,
> --
> Thibault Martin-Lagardette
>
>
>
> On Jan 1, 2011, at 05:09, Buddy Lindsey, Jr. wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I am just starting with MacRuby and am kind of confused. There seems to be
> 2 ways to do GUI development. Hotcocoa or Pure Cocoa API. My confusion is on
> which one is best I like hotcocoa because it seems fairly straight forward
> on doing GUI stuff, the little I have looked at it, but seems to rely on
> Cocoa API where there aren't any mappings. However, I can use interface
> builder and xcode more easily going with the pure cocoa api. I also am very
> confused when doing anything with interface builder so I am leaning toward
> hotcocoa.
>
> As a note on my background. I just got my first mac in July and started
> doing anything with ruby [on rails] in August. I come from a web development
> background so desktop apps are a bit new to me.
>
> Anyone have any advice, comments, and or words of wisdom all they way
> around? My goals is to make a fairly simple app I can put into the AppStore.
>
> Thanks
> Buddy
>
> ---
> Buddy Lindsey
> http://www.buddylindsey.com
> http://www.twitter.com/buddylindsey
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:55:51 +1300
From: Henry Maddocks <henry.maddocks@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [MacRuby-devel] Hotcocoa or not?
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Sent from my iPad

On 3/01/2011, at 5:03 AM, Thibault Martin-Lagardette <thibault.ml@gmail.com> wrote:

> However, please be aware that as of today, it is not possible to submit, on the AppStore (the iOS AppStore), an application that has been written using MacRuby :-(.

Why not? What information do you have?

Henry



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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 22:01:37 +0100
From: Benjamin Almeida <benjamin.q.almeida@gmail.com>
To: "MacRuby development discussions."
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Subject: Re: [MacRuby-devel] Hotcocoa or not?
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Ios== iphone &ipad
Reasons are the missing garbage collector for now

Cheers
ben

On 2 Jan 2011, at 21:55, Henry Maddocks <henry.maddocks@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 3/01/2011, at 5:03 AM, Thibault Martin-Lagardette <thibault.ml@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> However, please be aware that as of today, it is not possible to submit, on the AppStore (the iOS AppStore), an application that has been written using MacRuby :-(.
>
> Why not? What information do you have?
>
> Henry
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 13:30:03 -0800
From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@apple.com>
To: "MacRuby development discussions."
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Subject: Re: [MacRuby-devel] Hotcocoa or not?
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On Jan 2, 2011, at 12:55 PM, Henry Maddocks wrote:

>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 3/01/2011, at 5:03 AM, Thibault Martin-Lagardette <thibault.ml@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> However, please be aware that as of today, it is not possible to submit, on the AppStore (the iOS AppStore), an application that has been written using MacRuby :-(.
>
> Why not? What information do you have?

I think Thibault may have been a little too terse in his statement, leaving it ambiguous as to why.  This is not a question of developer agreements (which have been broadened since the original clause 3.3.1 was drafted) so much as a technology issue.  MacRuby does not support ARM right now, and even if it did, UIKit is not GC-safe, so you wouldn't be able to do any UI in MacRuby - pretty pointless!

- Jordan



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