On 14 nov. 2011, at 17:54, <macruby-devel-request@lists.macosforge.org<mailto:macruby-devel-request@lists.macosforge.org>> wrote: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:53:14 -0800 From: Nat Brown <natbro@gmail.com<mailto:natbro@gmail.com>> To: "MacRuby development discussions." <macruby-devel@lists.macosforge.org<mailto:macruby-devel@lists.macosforge.org>> Subject: Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby promise Message-ID: <CAG9EKxucdh03nX8NumZZrDB2C9A7yHTNwaguzRF0oVoWHCev_A@mail.gmail.com<mailto:CAG9EKxucdh03nX8NumZZrDB2C9A7yHTNwaguzRF0oVoWHCev_A@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" this would certainly be useful, but frankly i think that having proper debugger-integration support in xcode (see http://www.macruby.org/trac/ticket/1208 and issue 3037631 in http://bugreporter.apple.com<http://bugreporter.apple.com/>) would go dramatically farther towards making macruby useful. edit-and-continue would be great, but setting a breakpoint: priceless. thx, n@ This is a false dichotomy: my suggestion and yours are orthogonal (except perhaps for resource allocation consideration). You are right of course that proper debugging is desirable (MCL also had that 20 years ago), perhaps more so than what I am suggesting, but I'm going for the low-hanging fruits here. Moreover, adding Ruby debugging to Xcode would require Apple willingness to evolve Xcode which, given the glacial pace of Xcode 4 bug fixing and almost total deafness to developer requests, is far too much to ask. What I describe on the other hand, require no such cooperation. I probably even could implement a rough bare bone version. Jean-Denis
I probably even could implement a rough bare bone version.
I'm currently traveling but I would be glad to assist you. - Matt On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Jean-Denis MUYS <jdmuys@kleegroup.com>wrote:
On 14 nov. 2011, at 17:54, <macruby-devel-request@lists.macosforge.org> wrote:
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:53:14 -0800 From: Nat Brown <natbro@gmail.com> To: "MacRuby development discussions." <macruby-devel@lists.macosforge.org> Subject: Re: [MacRuby-devel] MacRuby promise Message-ID: <CAG9EKxucdh03nX8NumZZrDB2C9A7yHTNwaguzRF0oVoWHCev_A@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
this would certainly be useful, but frankly i think that having proper debugger-integration support in xcode (see http://www.macruby.org/trac/ticket/1208 and issue 3037631 in http://bugreporter.apple.com) would go dramatically farther towards making macruby useful. edit-and-continue would be great, but setting a breakpoint: priceless. thx, n@
This is a false dichotomy: my suggestion and yours are orthogonal (except perhaps for resource allocation consideration).
You are right of course that proper debugging is desirable (MCL also had that 20 years ago), perhaps more so than what I am suggesting, but I'm going for the low-hanging fruits here. Moreover, adding Ruby debugging to Xcode would require Apple willingness to evolve Xcode which, given the glacial pace of Xcode 4 bug fixing and almost total deafness to developer requests, is far too much to ask. What I describe on the other hand, require no such cooperation. I probably even could implement a rough bare bone version.
Jean-Denis
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you are right, of course -- these two issues are orthogonal, I simply never pass up a chance to rant about lack of debug support on the off chance that everybody will up-vote this issue and we'll see it get fixed before another 5 years pass. if you implement your suggestion, i will certainly try it -- i have a similar simple jury-rigged editing/eval app which i use for writing ruby scripts which is radically faster than copying and pasting classes/functions from an editor into irb and re-running, and faster than background running from e.g. vi or textmate, but it's not suitable for a full app with resources, and your proposed solution would be. thx, n@ On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Jean-Denis MUYS <jdmuys@kleegroup.com>wrote:
This is a false dichotomy: my suggestion and yours are orthogonal (except perhaps for resource allocation consideration).
You are right of course that proper debugging is desirable (MCL also had that 20 years ago), perhaps more so than what I am suggesting, but I'm going for the low-hanging fruits here. Moreover, adding Ruby debugging to Xcode would require Apple willingness to evolve Xcode which, given the glacial pace of Xcode 4 bug fixing and almost total deafness to developer requests, is far too much to ask. What I describe on the other hand, require no such cooperation. I probably even could implement a rough bare bone version.
Jean-Denis
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Nat Brown