On Dec 20, 2008, at 13:18, Peter Dyballa wrote:
What do you mean "steal the startup items"?
Quartz has its startup items, X11 should have them, too. It's not appropriate to remove this feature from X11.
This feature has not been removed from X11. It behaves *exactly* the same way in X11.app as it does on Linux. I took extra strides to make sure of that.
If your X product does not provide what other X products allow then something is wrong with your product.
It does. What other "X products" are you talking about?
For example CDE, Métisse, Looking Glass, Xview/OpenWindows, Cygwin, Humming Bird ...
CDE and OpenWindows are WindowManagers... they are X11 clients and not X11 servers. Hummingbird is not exactly a "standard" X11 product, IMO...
In twm, you right click on the desktop and select the application to start. In Gnome, you click the Applications menu and select the application to launch. In KDE, you click on the K and select the application to launch. How are any of those WMs any different? Further, you're using blackbox by your own choice, so if you don't like how you start applications in blackbox, then use something else.
I don't remember having ever used such a stupid X system that could not launch some applications to prepare my desktop! Maybe I've deliberately chosen useful products ...
What is is that you want it to do to "prepare your desktop"? You can do whatever you want in ~/.xinitrc just like you can on Linux/BSD/ Solaris/HPUX/...
OTOH, why is Quartz actively supporting their users' laziness by offering to fill in startup items? Every halfway capable Mac OS X user can click together the desktop. (Without the startup items component Mac OS X and its security updates might be more reliable and efficient: less can be more.)
I have no idea what you're trying to say here.