Hi, I have added this to /Applications/Utilities/X11.app/Contents/Info.plist: <key>LSUIPresentationMode</key> <integer>4</integer> This makes the dock and Apple menu bar get out of the way which is nice but quartz-wm does not let me move windows to where the menubar used to be. It would be a useful feature to have quartz-wm be better about this, but you all are probaly too busy at this point. later, mzs