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I can confirm that this has something to do with changing fonts. If I remove all font-related business from my xemacs startup files, it opens in the right spot. If I now change the font to anything else than it is, or if I change the font size, the window moves to somewhere top left (top left corner of window just outside the screen). This has nothing to do with xemacs startup, since I can now move the window around, but changing the font (or size) again moves it back to the top left of the screen.

What is the output of 'quartz-wm --version'?

$ quartz-wm --version 1.0.0

Details: - ~/.xemacs/: empty - ~/.Xdefaults: empty - XEmacs 21.4 (patch 21) "Educational Television" [Lucid] (i386- apple-darwin9.2.1, Mule) - X11: 2.3.2_rc2, quartz-wm version 1.0.0 - OS X: 10.5.5 on an Intel MacBook

What _does_ work: - The initial positioning: - xemacs -geometry -0+0 --> correctly opens window in the top right corner - xemacs -geometry 80x40-0+0 --> idem, different size window - xemacs -geometry +0+0 --> correctly opens window in the top left corner

Yeah, this working was what I meant by it's been fixed... so this is a different bug now.

What _does not_ work: - When changing either the font or the font size after moving the window, this change makes the window jump back to its initial position. - xemacs -geometry +0+0: opens window correctly in top left corner - now manually move (drag) the window out of that corner - change the font (menu: options->font->... and pick one) - watch the window move back into the top left corner

Thanks, I can see this and know what the problem is... but it's gonna take a bit to get the fix.

Hmmm, my quartz-wm is in /usr/bin/quartz-wm. From the date, it looks like the one from the rc2 installer (and I don't see another one anywhere). But I replaced that with the debug version. Does this different location of quartz-wm tell you anything? As in: did I muck up my X11 at some point?

No, it just means that I sent the email late at night and typed the wrong location. /usr/bin/quartz-wm is correct.

This quartz-wm also tells me it's version 1.0.0, is that correct?

Yes. They're both reporting 1.0.0. It'll only get bumped in version on "real" releases.