On May 17, 2009, at 20:39, Bill Janssen wrote:

Hmmm. I just updated my laptop and my desktop to 10.5.7, then to X11 2.3.3.1. Laptop seems fine; X runs as normal on login.

But on my desktop, if I click the /Applications/Utilities/X11.app, or put it in my Login Items, it appears for a few seconds, then disappears. In my log file (my .xinitrc keeps this log file), I find this message:

Error: another clipboard is already running

This is from xclipboard, which I run as the "blocking" client at the end of the .xinitrc file.

Well that's your problem. 1) Don't use ~/.xinitrc. Use ~/.xinitrc.d instead 2) Let the WM be the exec'd application, not a clipboard manager. 3) If you want to use xclipboard, you need to disable some of xpbproxy's behavior. Look in X11->Preferences->Clipboard

So is this release already automagically running a clipboard or pasteboard?

I don't really understand this question.

Is this built into quartz-wm now?

The pasteboard proxying was being done by quartz-wm. As of 2.3.2, it is done entirely by a thread in the Xserver (an updated version of the code that was formerly in quartz-wm) with support for proxying CLIPBOARD.

What's weirder is that if I start Terminal, then start an xterm from that, the whole X11 server and my .xinitrc start up just fine.

Maybe xclipboard is winning the race in this case.