MacPorts vs xquartz? (was Re: openmotif in macports dependencies and xquartz?)
Tommy Bollman
tommyb06 at student.uia.no
Sat Apr 2 17:47:22 PDT 2011
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> Fra: Tommy Bollman <tommyb06 at student.uia.no>
> Dato: 3. april 2011 02.44.53 GMT+02.00
> Til: asu Users <applescript-users at lists.apple.com>
> Emne: Re: MacPorts vs xquartz? (was Re: openmotif in macports dependencies and xquartz?)
>
> Hello.
>
> Oops I forgot to include the contents of org.x.privileged_startx.plist file for the sake of completedness.
>
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> <!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
> <plist version="1.0">
> <dict>
> <key>EnableTransactions</key>
> <true/>
> <key>Label</key>
> <string>org.x.privileged_startx</string>
> <key>MachServices</key>
> <dict>
> <key>org.x.privileged_startx</key>
> <true/>
> </dict>
> <key>ProgramArguments</key>
> <array>
> <string>/usr/X11/lib/X11/xinit/privileged_startx</string>
> <string>-d</string>
> <string>/usr/X11/lib/X11/xinit/privileged_startx.d</string>
> </array>
> <key>TimeOut</key>
> <integer>120</integer>
> </dict>
> </plist>
>
> Have a nice evening.
>
> Den 2. apr. 2011 kl. 20.48 skrev Jeremy Huddleston:
>
>> Yeah, you're definitely setting DISPLAY somewhere in your environment.
>>
>> Check out the DISPLAY debugging info on the XQuartz FAQ:
>>
>> http://xquartz.macosforge.org/trac/wiki/X11-UsersFAQ#sshXforwardingdebugging
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 2, 2011, at 11:39, Tommy Bollman wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Bayard.
>>>
>>> I installed a "bare" vim, -at least one without x-support, and I can't reproduce the problem right now.
>>>
>>> I did tried the command with xterm through XQuartz and I got :0 as the result when I did the ps command on xterm.
>>>
>>> I have some discrpancies regarding the $DISPLAY :
>>>
>>> Its from my log. Localhost [0x0-0x11d11d].org.macosforge.xquartz.X11[0]: xauth: (argv):1: bad display name "Localhost.local:0" in "remove" command
>>>
>>> I did a full trace on startx and initx once, and then there popped up display names of (i believe)
>>> Localhost.local/unix:0.
>>> I just hadn't the time to deal with it then. I don't have that time now neither, because I can't remember where I put that echo statement do reveal the display parameter.
>>>
>>> This may have nothing to do with those problems I addressed in this thread, but as soon as I get around to it, i'll file a ticket or something, in ordre to understand what is happening here.
>>>
>>> I am rather new to this, and I thought that XQuartz is to replace X11 as an X-server am I right?
>>>
>>> Thanks anyway, I'll comeback to this when I have the time.
>>>
>>> Den 2. apr. 2011 kl. 19.02 skrev Bayard Bell:
>>>
>>>> Are you able to check your DISPLAY environment variable for each application by comparing the output of ps -Exww -p <pid> for each process? I believe the normal way that Apple defines their X listeners is as LaunchAgents with SecureSocketWithKey, which creates a domain socket in a randomly named directory created by launchd for each session, whose name is inherited by those jobs but not the user.
>>>>
>>>> As well as the DISPLAY variable, you can use the open command to specify which Xserver you want to use (e.g. open -a XQuartz.app /opt/local/bin/xemacs). My understanding is that you have to create new app and/or bundle names for this to spawn additional Xserver instances, otherwise you'll use what's already there if it's running or launch it if it's not.
>>>>
>>>> On 2 Apr 2011, at 17:18, Tommy Bollman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Jeremy.
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem I had was that I installed the +huge port of vim.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a good setup of xterm from within xterm. ( I start XQuartz from spotlight).
>>>>>
>>>>> When I then started up vim from withing the xterm, giving the command "gu", then X11.app
>>>>> would start and do the window handling for vim I believe.
>>>>>
>>>>> The result was that I ended up having both X11.app and XQuartz.app visible in the command bar. (The one I get when I press cmd-Tab ).
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the problems goes for other apps as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since then I have installed a port which doesn't use X11, and MacVim, but I really would like
>>>>> to have the menus and such from within XQuartz.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder how I fix this, so that vim/xim only uses XQuartz as the window server.
>>>>> -If the problems would go away if I recompile, using the libraries found in the /opt tree?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Den 1. apr. 2011 kl. 03.30 skrev Jeremy Huddleston:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 31, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Tommy Bollman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>>> Can I read this as I might manage to get vim/xim building with only macports libraries and not the ones shipped with Apple
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. That is the policy in MacPorts (to prefer in-tree dependencies rather than system-provided ones).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -And make it work without firing up X11.app ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure what you're asking... You could use any X server you want...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Den 31. mars 2011 kl. 23.25 skrev Jeremy Huddleston:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 31, 2011, at 11:01 AM, Philip J. Schneider wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kinda highjacking my own thread here... :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Considering Jeremy's feedback, I downloaded openmotif and all its dependencies, and so I can now build/run an X11 app using MacPorts-provided headers and libs. (That is, with only /opt/local-based paths specified in XCode.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A few questions:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. In very general terms, how do the xquartz-provided X includes and libs differ from those provided by MacPorts? Pro/con on using one vs the other?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The ones in MacPorts are generally the latest versions.
>>>>>>>> The ones from XQuartz are also generally the latest version as of the release date.
>>>>>>>> The ones from Apple are a bit more dated / stable for consistency across major releases of the OS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2. If one did want to distribute an X11 application that needed one or more X-related libraries not provided by the default system (e.g. openmotif), what would be the recommended approach? I might wish to assume that the users would not want to build up their own fink or MacPorts installation... :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd recommend using the host X11 libraries. Link your application (including extra libraries) against those, and ship everything not part of the system. You could use something like /opt/myapp as the prefix for building all your bits and just ship /opt/myapp (and probably place /opt/myapp/bin into $PATH via /etc/paths.h/myapp
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>> Best regards
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>>>>>
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>>>>> Tommy Bollman
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