[MacRuby-devel] A Future for MacRuby

[David Frantz]

The XCode integration is actually something that I find bothersome, especially the reliance upon nibs or whatever they are called.  As an IDE goes XCode has never really been professional level, though I know that statement frustrates many it is very much true.  

As to nibs well the whole thing is just very obtuse and frustrating to me.    Mind you my background is not the same as many here, being focused on industrial automation, but if find the use of nibs and Interface builder to be very taxing and not very object Oriented.  MacRuby would likely generate a lot more interest if they moved away from the interface builder approach to GUI development.    I know this will result in many arrows coming my way, but really folks lets be objective here IB is a very strange departure from most GUI development systems.  

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On Dec 20, 2011, at 4:53 PM, Matt Aimonetti <mattaimonetti at gmail.com> wrote:

> No one outside of Apple can integrate it with XCode, or allow it on iOS devices. 
> 
> While the XCode part is partly true (due to limited APIs to say the least), MacRuby doesn't need to be blessed by Apple to run on iOS. Legally, Apple isn't blocking anything.
> 
> I see that as a double edged sword, yes Apple support allowed MacRuby to be where it is at, but IMHO, it also limits/restricts the project, or at least Apple's contribution on some aspect that the community is interested in. As someone mentioned on twitter the other day, some major parts of OS X are built/using MacRuby such as the PodcastProducer (or whatever the name is). But I personally prefer my open source project to be a bit more independent. If you want full Apple support, use Objective-C, if you are interested in what MacRuby has to offer and are willing to take a (small) risk, take the leap. Furthermore, I think too many people rely on the fact that MacRuby is an Apple backed project and therefore don't contribute/participate to the project, which is quite regrettable. 
> 
> The future of MacRuby? MacRuby isn't going anywhere, we are having some technical hosting issues pushing the 0.11 release which should be solved soon hopefully. 0.11 is hopefully the last release before 1.0.
> Once 1.0 will be out, we will be able to focus on the next big things.
> 
> As shown in the various email threads and the interesting projects people are building, MacRuby is solid and fun. The challenge seems to be that the interest around the OS X app store isn't as big as expected and maybe we should seriously consider spend some resources on an iOS version?
> 
> - Matt
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Jeff Hemmelgarn <jhemmelg at gmail.com> wrote:
> As someone who has been trying to help in my vanishing spare time, the actions of Apple with regard to MacRuby are very important to my motivation.  No one outside of Apple can integrate it with XCode, or allow it on iOS devices.  If these things don't happen, MacRuby will be much less than it could be if these things do happen.  So, it would be very good for external support of the project to get real indications that Apple is at least beneficent toward the project if not directly dedicating resources.
> 
> Jeff Hemmelgarn
> 
> On Dec 20, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> 
> > MacRuby is an open source project and, as such, is (and always has been) free to seek or employ additional resources entirely on its own; it does not need Apple to hand-hold or broker such an arrangement, assuming that such was even possible or desirable.
> >
> > While it is also true that Apple has historically put a fair amount of energy into MacRuby, playing a significant role in bootstrapping it to the (IMO, quite functional) state it is in today, the greater MacRuby community should certainly not take this in any way as an indication that it should simply wait passively on the sidelines vs taking an active role in determining its future.  MacRuby, just as with pretty much every other dialect or implementation of Ruby, is not (or at least shouldn't be) something driven by a single person or corporation.  Even Matz himself is not the sole arbiter of what Ruby is or can become, it being far more of a group effort at this point, and MacRuby is no different.  If it were a bird, I would say that it's spent a fair amount of time in the nest, its wings are fully grown, and it's fully capable of flying by itself at this point. :)
> >
> > - Jordan
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