[MacRuby-devel] HotCocoa futures

isaac kearse isaackearse at gmail.com
Fri Dec 23 13:21:18 PST 2011

Hi Rich,

Thanks for starting a new thread - I was just getting ready to pollute
the future of MacRuby thread with some more HotCocoa talk :)


"The goal of the project is to simplify the process of creating and
configuring Cocoa objects used when building native Mac apps"

We should probably do a better job of explaining what this means in
more detail - I have opened an issue for this here:

Writing more concise code is great, but I wouldn't say it is my
primary motivation, here are some other reasons why I use HotCocoa:

* It helps you to write clearer and more idiomatic MacRuby code
* Express your UI in code rather than IB
* Makes it easier to use Xcode alternatives like TextMate
* Helps you to package your code
* Provides a basic structure for your project


On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Rich Morin <rdm at cfcl.com> wrote:
> At 7:29 PM +0100 12/23/11, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
>> On Dec 23, 2011, at 2:47 AM, isaac kearse wrote:
>> Are you aware that HotCocoa is being actively developed again?
>> That's good to know.  It would also be good to know, if and
>> when the subject ever comes up, what its mission statement
>> currently is.  Front-end all of AppKit?  All of AppKit AND
>> Foundation?   Neither of those, but provide convenience
>> functions if and only when a certain conciseness (as
>> expressed in percentage of code saved) is achievable?  This
>> is something I have been wondering ever since Rich started
>> the project, since it definitely achieves an admirable degree
>> of brevity over the equivalent ObjC code, but where do you
>> stop?  How will we know when HotCocoa is "done"? :-)
> I'm not all that worried about whether HotCocoa is ever "done",
> but I do think there are some interesting questions about how
> additions should be managed.  As Jordan suggests, there could
> be rules for accepting additions, eg:
>  ... if and only when a certain conciseness (as expressed in
>  percentage of code saved) is achievable ...
> Details aside, it can be good to know what kinds of things are
> likely to be accepted (or rejected) without much discussion.
> That said, I would like HotCocoa to be a continuing dialogue
> for ways to make MacRuby code clearer and more idiomatic.
> I think that "code forums" such as GitHub are extremely well
> suited to this sort of dialogue.  If I want to try out a new
> idiom or feature, I can simply fork the project and hack.  If
> my work shows promise, I can push it back to GitHub and make
> an announcement.
> The trickier question is how to get reliable infrastructure
> out of such a dialogue.  The traditional approach involves a
> cabal of "core committers", but Git and GitHub projects are
> not required to be organized in this fashion.
> In any case, I'm not particularly worried.  If we have robust
> participation in HotCocoa use and development, the details
> can and will be worked out.
> -r
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