[MacRuby-devel] Is HotCocoa dead?

[Jordan K. Hubbard]

I think that Dan just declared himself the new project lead! :-)

Seriously, I understand Matt's point about fragmentation, but I honestly haven't seen enough action in this space to really merit that much concern about it.  HotCocoa's problems are deeper than a small collection of one or two line patches, the bigger questions being:

1. What problem, or problems, is HotCocoa really trying to solve (and does it currently solve them)?

2. How far should HotCocoa go?  Does it want to front-end every bit of complex Cocoa API or design pattern such that one can do, say, something meaningful with CoreData with just a few lines of code?  If not, how much is considered reasonable and why?

3. How will the folks working on HotCocoa know when they're "finished"?  (Related to both #1 and #2).

4. UIKit vs AppKit.  Sure, right now only one of them are relevant to MacRuby, but should that change, how might this affect HotCocoa?

I'm sure folks can come up with even more "pertinent questions", those are just some of the first ones to pop into my own head!

- Jordan


On Mar 25, 2011, at 7:25 AM, dan sinclair wrote:

> I was trying to keep the various forks in line for a while before I stopped working on HotCocoa. If you look at the network graph, there is a fork off of mine which I think contains everything that has been worked on so far. Maybe a good place to start synchronizing from.
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> dan
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> On 2011-03-24, at 10:57 PM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:
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>> Jordan, moving to GitHub helped but it also created fragmentation. Everyone is working on its own fork and there is nobody to centralize all the changes in a single repo.
>> I agree that having a MacRuby based Processing like solution would be awesome.
>> 
>> - Matt
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>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Jordan K. Hubbard <jkh at apple.com> wrote:
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>> On Mar 24, 2011, at 5:56 PM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:
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>>> Rich just sold his company to Living Social and I'm sure he's really busy ATM.
>>> If people are willing to hack on this project and maintain it (the core team won't), we probably should move it to its own repo and give commit rights to people.
>>> 
>>> Who's interested in created a HotCocoa team?
>> 
>> I thought the project's being on GitHub facilitated this already?  You guys should be able to start forking away and coordinating your patches over email if there's any real interest in creating such a team!  I think it would be interesting, myself, particularly if it led to the creation of something that could compare to Processing. :)
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>> - Jordan
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