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    <tt>Sorry Shawn, nothing personal, but that's what it looks like
      from our perspective:<br>
      <br>
      - What road map? We're not going to go to a WWDC just to get two
      simple answers (we don't have the time, the staff, and Apple is
      just one platform we need to support). <br>
      <br>
      - They are really simple questions, but noone wants to commit to
      an answer.<br>
    </tt><br>
    <tt>&gt; So unfortunate that you feel the need to slander that which
      you do not know.  <br>
      And how can we 'know' what noone will tell us about?<br>
      <br>
      Since you obviously *do* care, please feel free to show it and
      answer our year-long questions:<br>
      <br>
      (Frederik [in Bcc:], please correct/add, here's our chance)<br>
      <br>
      We need to keep supporting Middleware (pkcs#11 module for Firefox
      and others, whatever-is-required for Safari) for the Belgian eID ;
      All the frameworks we used to build have now been *deprecated* by
      Apple. We now have no idea:<br>
      <br>
      - Whether Apple will not suddenly drop support entirely and we'll
      only find out from an OSX pre-release.<br>
      <br>
      - How future versions of Key Chain/Safari will handle Smart Cards<br>
      <br>
      - Whether Apple *will* still support Smart Cards on a system level
      or whether we'll have to "ship-our-own" support for that (we've
      tried before to create tenable builds for SmartCardServices,
      ourselves, and it looks like others are trying that road, as well
      - see Chris)<br>
      <br>
      - Whether to contact folks like Centrify and Thursby because Apple
      will outsource all Smart Card support to them?<br>
      <br>
      - Whether Apple will suddenly produce a brand new Smart Card
      framework that we have to scramble to support?<br>
      <br>
      WHAT do we need to do to keep supporting our national ID card on
      OSX, now and for the "road map"pable future? (scope: at least the
      next year, every year)<br>
      <br>
      Eagerly awaiting Frederik's additions and your enlightening
      revelations.<br>
      <br>
      WKR,<br>
      Frank.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
    </tt><br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/27/2015 06:51 AM, Shawn Geddis
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      <div class="">On Apr 22, 2015, at 1:48 PM, Frank Mariën &lt;<a
          moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:frank@apsu.be" class="">frank@apsu.be</a>&gt;
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        <div class=""><span class="" style="font-family: ArialMT;
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            inline !important;">Hello Chris,</span><br class=""
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          <div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="font-family: ArialMT;
            background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Chris Inacio schreef
            op 22/04/15 om 21:2359:<br class="">
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          <span class="" style="font-family: ArialMT; background-color:
            rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline
            !important;">From my POV of some years in a
            SmartCardServices-dependent project (on OSX, at least, we
            support 2 other platforms), I can tell you that Apple
            effectively doesn't care one damn bit. After our years-long
            attempts at getting the slightest bit of information about
            the largely invisible roadmap, we got.. zero response.. Even
            mentioning the 11 million potential users didn't get their
            attention.. My impression: Apple, being a US company, needs
            to appear "patriotic" and "supporting the troops" etc.. so
            they cannot help but support CAC cards, but otherwise, if
            you have a business model based on anything smart-card
            related involving Apple Inc.. RUN LIKE HELL!</span><br
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        <div class="">So unfortunate that you feel the need to slander
          that which you do not know.  </div>
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      <div class="">Apple does not provide OS roadmaps outside of what
        is provided at WWDC.  Other than that, none of your statements
        above are true with respect to Apple Inc. or myself as an Apple
        employee leading this project.</div>
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