<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><span>Hello Luca. </span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Thanks for the long explanation. </span><br><span></span><br><span></span>The most useful information you have not provided: what smartcard you have. </div><div><br></div><div>They are sold as this:</div><div><br></div><div><img src="cid:F1EA602D-6303-4C25-87D5-456798D2F25C" alt="image1.jpeg" id="F1EA602D-6303-4C25-87D5-456798D2F25C"></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);">And so the Italian card could be any card, printed with anything. </span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);">You might have a small writing I the back of your card indicating the model. </span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);">You need to find the middleware or software provided by your card manufacturer.</span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);">This software will allow your computer to interact with your card. </span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);">If tokend support is provided by your card manufacturer you will be able to use your card using Safari. </span></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://smartcardservices.macosforge.org/trac/wiki/tokend">https://smartcardservices.macosforge.org/trac/wiki/tokend</a></div><div><br></div><div>But if my guess is correct, and you have a G&D card <a href="http://m.gi-de.com/en/products_and_solutions/index.jsp?">http://m.gi-de.com/en/products_and_solutions/index.jsp?</a> You will only be able to use your card under Firefox by adding a module. </div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.e-imza.az/downloads/guide/en/Setting%20Firefox%20Web%20browser%20with%20smart%20card%20for%20work.pdf">http://www.e-imza.az/downloads/guide/en/Setting%20Firefox%20Web%20browser%20with%20smart%20card%20for%20work.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div>So, if your message ends up ignored by the group, try first find what card you have. </div><div><br></div><div>The middleware or software package proposed for MSWindows will provide you a good clue of what card you have. </div><div><br></div><div>Feel free to contact me in private. </div><div><br></div><div>Good luck. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Bernardo Höhl</div><div>Rio de Janeiro <br><span></span><br><span>Enviado do meu iPhone</span><br><span></span><br><div><br><br>Enviado do meu iPhone</div><blockquote type="cite"><span>Em 7 de ago de 2016, às 16:00, Luca Accomazzi <<a href="mailto:misterakko@gmail.com">misterakko@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>First, a bit of context.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I hold a doctorate on computer science, and it’s possibile that I’ve been using Apple computers since before you were born (this is a picture of the first original software package I bought: <a href="https://cuoredimela.accomazzi.it/images/1-software-per-apple-ii.jpg">https://cuoredimela.accomazzi.it/images/1-software-per-apple-ii.jpg</a>) but I know next to nothing about smartcards (even if I am familiar with DH theorem, keys, certificates, yadda-yadda).</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Now for the problem. All Italian citizens are issues one of these smartcards:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.migrando.it/UserFiles/Image/News/454_sanitatesserasanitaria.jpg">http://www.migrando.it/UserFiles/Image/News/454_sanitatesserasanitaria.jpg</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>we normally use them at the doctor’s and inside hospitals to be identified and to get appointments.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>For my next book, I’m trying to understand how it might be possible to use Macs to access some social services that a few Italian regions and the national administration are supposed to offer to their citizens via those things. Most administrations here ignore Mac users, all official websites but one do not offer instructions for macOS, the one that does suggests an incredibly byzantine procedure mandating the use of Firefox and last updated during Mavericks’s lifetime.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>For example, I’m supposed to be able to go here</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="https://telematicisc.agenziaentrate.gov.it/ClientReg/Abilitazione/AbilitaSmartCardVerifica.do">https://telematicisc.agenziaentrate.gov.it/ClientReg/Abilitazione/AbilitaSmartCardVerifica.do</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>do a first access using my card and a PIN I’ve been issued, then go here</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="https://telematicisc.agenziaentrate.gov.it/ClientAuth/Login">https://telematicisc.agenziaentrate.gov.it/ClientAuth/Login</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>and pay my taxes or ask for refunds.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I’ve been googling the issue for the last couple of days and nobody here seems to make head or tails of this. I could only find a document saying that the card contains an X.509 certificate, RSA 1024 bit public-private keys and a few other personal identification informations.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>My dream is to be able to take the darn private key from my card (I do have a reader at hand, it’s an ACR38 from these guys: <a href="http://www.acs.com.hk/en/driver/4/acr38-smart-card-reader/">http://www.acs.com.hk/en/driver/4/acr38-smart-card-reader/</a>) , save it in the Keychain and forget about the smartcard. If I were asked to engineer a security system I would not allow copying the private key, though, so I realize this is likely impossible.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Help please (and I probably left of quite a few important details, so ask me anything).</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Thanks in advance,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Luca </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>SmartcardServices-Users mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:SmartcardServices-Users@lists.macosforge.org">SmartcardServices-Users@lists.macosforge.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/smartcardservices-users">https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/smartcardservices-users</a></span><br></blockquote></div></body></html>