[Xquartz-dev] 2.3.2-rc4 full screen oddities

Viv Kendon V.Kendon at leeds.ac.uk
Sun Dec 21 15:54:37 PST 2008


On Sat, 20 Dec 2008, Jeremy Huddleston wrote:

> On Dec 20, 2008, at 13:41, Viv Kendon wrote:
>
>> * now...full screen mode does NOT play nicely with spaces! I'm currently in 
>> full screen mode with the two X11 windows I had open on Space 3, an Aqua 
>> background, no menu bar, and with the full-screen desktop background and 
>> the X11 app I had open in Space 6 "lost" in Space 6 with no way to switch 
>> to it!
>
> Well, you'd have to switch to space 6...

Exactly...only once I'm in full screen I can't find a way to 
do that: is there something I'm missing?  If I go to screen 
6 first then cmd-opt-a into full screen, well, things just 
get worse, with the effects mentioned below.  In the Spaces 
preferences I have unchecked the option to have Spaces 
switch to a screen with active windows when selecting an 
app, but this sort of switching still happens, for instance 
when calling up the X11 preferences window when in a Space 
with X11 windows but not the one X11 first opened a window 
in.  So I moved the preferences window over to Space 6 from 
Space 3, and that seemed to confuse both Spaces and X11 when 
I selected full screen mode.

>> I can also get the full screen desktop background interleaved with the X11 
>> windows on first switching, I think others have reported that.
>
> Nope, this is the first I've heard about it...  open a bug report.

I'll do some more testing to find a way to reproduce it 
reliably.  I'm about to go offline for a week, so I can't 
report until I'm back.

>> And I just got the X11 desktop by itself, where in virtual spaces I don't 
>> know, but maybe on top of the X11 app that was in space 6.
>
> You're probably in a space with no X11 client.  The windows are bound to a 
> particular Space.
>
>> (How did I get into this state in the first place?  well, I was trying to 
>> test the cmd-opt-a thing in another app, and RetroOffice (X11 build of 
>> NeoOffice) was open on Space 6...it's an app bundle so it is natural to 
>> start it in a different space. and yes, it does react to cmd-opt-a, by 
>> doing "select all".)
>
> Well if it's an X11 application with an app bundle... then it's either got 
> its own X11 server or its using ours... which is the case?

It uses xquartz, it doesn't bundle its own:
http://neowiki.neooffice.org/index.php/RetroOffice

>> OK, I know that's not how full screen is designed to be used :-)  I think 
>> I'll have to find your instructions for running two copies of X11, one for 
>> full-screen and one rootless...
>
>> Finally, something also appears to have changed with the cut and paste in 
>> relation to RetroOffice, I can't find a combination of pasteboard options 
>> that allows the ctr-c and ctl-v that should work within the app to function 
>> properly.
>
> How so?

ctl-c on a selection followed by ctl-v pastes something 
previously copied from elsewhere in X11 land, or whatever 
cmd-c last copied.  I have the X11 preferences window open 
and the only pasteboard option I have checked is "enable 
syncing.  So RetroOffice is not copying (or cutting) into 
the buffer it then pastes from.  But I'll have to get back 
to you after I've had a chance to revert to the previous 
RetroOffice version and test in a more vanilla account, log 
out, reboot, etc., etc..

-- Viv

>> There's a thread around the end of October where it was first discussed, 
>> that work around no longer appears to work (unselect both "update 
>> Pasteboard when CLIPBOARD" and "Update CLIPBOARD when Pastboard").
>
> If you do that, then we don't ever touch CLIPBOARD, so if your application 
> isn't working, it's either not using CLIPBOARD or it's just broken outside of 
> us.
>
>> But I installed a RetroOffice update at the same time, so I need to do 
>> considerably more checking and come back with details.  I think it works OK 
>> with fvwm as the window manager, but not with quartz-wm.
>
> Well that doesn't make sense at all since quartz-wm doesn't do anything with 
> CLIPBOARD on our X11.app...



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Quantum Information Group    University of Leeds



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