[Xquartz-dev] hi, and a few opening questions

Jeremy Huddleston jeremyhu at berkeley.edu
Sat Feb 16 10:51:21 PST 2008

Hi Paul,

This is a rather loaded question you're asking.  Firstly regarding the  
native vs X11 performance issues.  You might want to speak with folks  
at OpenOffice.org as I recall them mentioning this as well.  Perhaps  
they may have some suggestions for tweaking your native build.

XQuartz itself is just an X server.  Most of the functionality you  
mention in the last paragraph is specific to the session manager or  
window manager (quartz-wm in out case) and has not been implemented.   
That being said, I very much hope that one day we will be able to have  
drag-and-drop between X and native apps, better integrated clipboard  
support, etc.  There are just many more pressing issues before we can  
tackle this one.  The menu bar feature is the one that I least expect  
to ever be supported.

On Feb 16, 2008, at 07:12, Paul Davis wrote:

> i just joined the xquartz-dev mailing list. i'm the lead developer of
> ardour (http://ardour.org/) which is a digital audio workstation that
> runs on linux and OS X.
> i've spent several months now working on both ardour itself and the  
> port
> of GTK+ (which is the GUI toolkit that ardour uses) to Quartz. a few
> days ago, i finally bothered to compare the performance of ardour on
> Tiger when built with GTK/X11 versus its performance when built with
> GTK/Quartz.
> the difference was terrifying. the GTK/Quartz version uses twice the
> overall CPU cycles that the GTK/X11 one does. i started digging into
> this and at the moment, i am fairly convinced that its Cocoa that is  
> the
> major issue.
> rather than bore this list with those specific issues however, what i
> wanted to ask was whether or not xquartz does/will/will not address  
> the
> original issues that led us in search of a "native" version: drag-n- 
> drop
> from non-X11 windows, and integration with the main menu bar model
> (neither of these are sensibly possible with the X11.app that predates
> Leopard). can an X11 application use these facilities without gross
> hacks and kludges? if not, is this expected at some point?
> thanks,
> --p
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