[Xquartz-dev] seems 2.7.2b4 helps a lot! (Re: Several nagging problems in recent Xquartz versions…)

[SciFi]

On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 13:28:49 -0700, Jeremy Huddleston wrote:
> 
> On Apr 4, 2012, at 8:30 AM, SciFi <sci-fi at hush.ai> wrote:
> […]
>> 2.  We still have the stuck-'h' key.  In fact the bug-report #443
>>    has a few more people who are experiencing this same problem.
>>    As for me, a recent Pan build from git.gnome.org can easily
>>    change its "hotkey" table, to let us steer-clear of using 'h'
>>    for any of its functions.
> 
> There's really nothing "special" about h other than that it's used higher up in the stack for cmd-h to hide windows.  I'm really perplexed by this issue, and unless you can help me reproduce it, there's really no hope of me fixing it.

For the 'h' key problem, some time ago
I've asked in the bug-report #443 for
precise directions on what to do for
testing this problem, please.
Assume I know some things, but not
"everything" <g>.
So I am still awaiting directions.
;)

>> 5.  I still cannot use the pkg-mgrs: the latest Pan code seems to
>>    need some projects/versions that are not (yet) available except
>>    for having to build 'em by hand the old-fashioned way.  Sorry.  ;)
> 
> What versions are missing in MacPorts.  I can probably update them for you...

I think the main thing was
with the new SSL support in Pan.
We wanted to not need stunnel anymore
with its more-complex setups etc.
We had been testing OpenSSL, but
the Pan community was worried
about licensing issues, IIUC.
(never mind the problems that
 I myself had with openssl-cvs <heh>)
So, they switched to gnutls-2.12.10
or later.
For some strange reason I now don't remember,
I had to go with gnutls-3.0.9 or later
perhaps for extra functions or similar.
Of course I had built
gnutls-3.0.9 myself
(since I can't find it in your
 "available ports" search page)
which now needs nettle
and p11-kit
as dependencies
(instead of needing gcrypt
 as earlier gnutls required, IIUC).
(I still can't find p11-kit in
 y'all's "available ports" search.)
Perhaps if Macports & Fink et al.
had a gnutls3 package with deps
it could maybe live in the repros
together with the current gnutls
(but not with each-other on the
 user's machine of course).

They also added crypto support in Pan
with the help from the gmime-2.6.x line.
Now y'all only have gmime thru 2.4.x
which is ok for Pan to use
but we won't have crypto support, see.
Added problem is that I've been unable
to build _working_ libs with the
crypto support enabled via ./configure
and have asked help from the main
gmime author on this:
<https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gmime-devel-list/2012-January/msg00002.html>
<http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.mail.mime.gmime.devel/155>
<news://news.gmane.org/pan.2012.01.26.08.38.57@scifi.homeip.net>
He finally responded:
<https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gmime-devel-list/2012-February/msg00003.html>
<http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.mail.mime.gmime.devel/159>
<news://news.gmane.org/4F3FCC48.2070206@gnome.org>
He admits not having trying to build an OSX flavor.
Anyway, I still need to work-up a report for the
GPGME team as he requested me to do.
And I need to follow-up with the Pan team
asking why are they relying on gmime's obvious
experimental code for crypto support, and instead
why can't we use an already-established project
to do crypto in Pan.

Now the Pan team wants to do a release this weekend
(yes during Easter for some reason).
But I'm afraid us OSX users will have some
debilitating functionality in this release.
:(

…

BTW since no-one has wanted to further discuss my
main pet peeve with the way things are going with OSX,
I am only going to be interested in keeping 10.6.x
alive here, not anything newer/higher.
I know I must spend $$$ to do any kind of upgrade,
so I have decided to eventually build my own
"dream machine" design, use 100% open-source systems
and apps on it, and spend my remaining time on
this planet keeping it interesting to tinker with.
Instead of having to give more to a company who is
trying to close-down my favorite hobby
(not to mention TPTB clamping-down our other
 Rights To Be Human™, but that's for another list).

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