[MacRuby-devel] MacRuby-devel Digest, Vol 63, Issue 3

Thu May 16 12:00:09 PDT 2013

I got my RubyMotion last week when 2.0 came out really hope they will continue building it for long time. 
By now I'm really enjoying it 

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> 1. Re: OS X10.9 & MacRuby's future... (Andy Stechishin)
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> From: Andy Stechishin <andy.stechishin at gmail.com (mailto:andy.stechishin at gmail.com)>
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> @Shaun: I think RubyMotion 2 is that offering.
> 
> @Mark: Well said. I dabbled in MacRuby and thought it would be great if
> 'they' could get something going for IOS. MY first thought when RubyMotion
> came out was I needed to buy a license to support HipByte, I have never
> regretted this and bought my extension last week. The paradigm for
> RubyMotion has been to step outside the Apple Toolchain to allow developers
> to produce applications with ease. I am pleased to see this continue in the
> Cocoa application space. And, the community is almost worth the price of
> admission alone. :) Heck, I am already giving Apple a hundred bucks a year,
> so giving Laurent another hundred to actually build in a language I like
> isn't that much more.
> 
> Andy Stechishin (lurker)
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> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Shaun August <saugust at me.com (mailto:saugust at me.com)> wrote:
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> > I would like to see Laurent and Hipbyte offer a paid version of MacRuby
> > with the same pricing structure as RubyMotion. I'd buy it...
> > 
> > --
> > Shaun
> > 
> > 
> > On Thursday, 16 May, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Mark Villacampa wrote:
> > 
> > I'm a longtime RubyMotion user, and MacRuby user before that. I want to
> > share my view as to what is the current status of MacRuby and what can
> > happen in the future.
> > 
> > The momentum around MacRuby has been inexistent for almost a year and a
> > half. That is, since Laurent Sansonetti (the original creator of MacRuby)
> > left Apple, and that left the project without maintainers who were being
> > paid to work on it. Only Watson and a couple other maintainers have been
> > doing maintenance work and fixing a couple of bugs.
> > 
> > Since nobody is being paid to maintain it, and (AFAIK) there is no
> > company/individual whose main/critical systems depended on MacRuby, nobody
> > has taken over the project. This is pretty much a chicken-egg situation.
> > 
> > That said, a year ago, Laurent launched RubyMotion, a product based on
> > MacRuby which introduces many new features, such as an ARC based memory
> > model, and iOS support (dropping OSX support). Just a few days ago, in the
> > first anniversary of RubyMotion, they introduced OSX support.
> > 
> > Rubymotion is not open source, and the license costs 200$, plus an annual
> > renewal fee of 99$. Two reasons that people sometimes argue for not
> > investing in RM are:
> > 
> > - "It's closed source, it might disappear at any moment": Actually,
> > RubyMotion is probably more likely to stay in the long term than MacRuby
> > was at the beginning. Despite Apple being a huge company, MacRuby was kind
> > of an experiment that they could kill at any moment. For HipByte (the
> > company behind Rubymotion), Rubymotion is its main product and the one that
> > pays its employees. They are way more interested in watching RM succeed
> > than Apple was in watching MacRuby succeed.
> > 
> > - "It's too expensive": for playing around or releasing a pet project or
> > free app that is not one of your ways of income, that might be the case.
> > However, for a company or individual that wants to develop a product from
> > which they hope to get some revenue, that price is ridiculous. I've seen
> > PHP libraries for creating web forms more expensive than RubyMotion
> > (nothing against those libraries). We're talking about a static compiler
> > and a whole toolchain for developing iOS apps. If you're a student and want
> > to play around with RubyMotion, there is a student discount available (send
> > them an email for more information).
> > 
> > So my conclusion is: If you want to develop OSX applications and you liked
> > MacRuby, invest in getting a RubyMotion license, you probably won't be
> > disappointed.
> > 
> > Mark.
> > 
> > On Thursday, May 16, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Christopher S Martin wrote:
> > 
> > They recently added support for OS X to rubymotion:
> > http://blog.rubymotion.com/post/49943751398/rubymotion-goes-2-0-and-gets-os-x-support-templates
> > That said, since rubymotion is (I believe) based off of macruby with some
> > additions specifically around static compilation of apps, I don't know if
> > the issues around GC/ARC would be any better in rubymotion on OS X, as I've
> > only used it for iOS.
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Jeff Dyck <fsjjeff at gmail.com (mailto:fsjjeff at gmail.com)> wrote:
> > 
> > Just wanted to add a ditto to this - I'm looking at migrating some old
> > AppleScript Studio projects to MacRuby - my initial testing about a year
> > ago was great, but it seems the stability of MacRuby as a development
> > platform is in question to me at least... I've already been abandoned by
> > AppleScript Studio, don't really want to have to go through relearning a
> > new language and migrating projects a third time.
> > 
> > I'm seeing a few comments on RubyMotion - does that work for developing OS
> > X projects as well? I was under the impression that was for iOS only, but
> > I can't say I've looked into it much.
> > 
> > Jeff
> > 
> > On May 16, 2013, at 10:40 AM, Michael Shantzis <michael at shantzis.com (mailto:michael at shantzis.com)>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello all (and especially Carolyn),
> > > 
> > > I just want to say that I have the same question, specifically regarding
> > the
> > > GC/ARC issue.
> > > 
> > > The context in which this came up was very revealing. I had been
> > developing a
> > > fairly complex Cocoa project (ARC enabled) and decided that I had to add
> > 
> > some tests.
> > > Using MacRuby seemed like the natural solution. I quickly noticed,
> > 
> > though, that I
> > > couldn't.
> > > 
> > > Is there still any momentum behind MacRuby? Is there any solution to
> > the issue
> > > of mixing it with ARC? I really hope the answer to these two questions
> > 
> > is "yes."
> > > 
> > > Thank you,
> > > Michael Shantzis
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On May 16, 2013, at 8:32 AM, Carolyn Ann Grant <
> > carolyn.ann.grant at gmail.com (mailto:carolyn.ann.grant at gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hi, I've got a question about the future of MacRuby. I like it, and
> > have started working on a project or two using it, but I've been reading
> > about GC and ARC, Ruby 2.0, RubyMotion and so on, and wonder where MacRuby
> > is going? I'm quite concerned because I've put a good amount of time into
> > my MacRuby projects.
> > > > 
> > > > I wish I had the knowledge and skill to help with MacRuby - I really do
> > like it! - but unfortunately I don't. I also don't want to invest a lot of
> > further time in MacRuby if it's not going anywhere. (And I really can't
> > spare the $200 it would take to buy RubyMotion.)
> > > > 
> > > > I know this comes across as a bit impertinent, but I really would like
> > to know what's happening with MacRuby development. Thanks!
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