[SmartcardServices-Dev] Effort to rebuild smartcard services on Mac from ground up

[Frank Marien]

Addendum :

We have seen apple create a new Crypto Token Kit API (obj C / Swift), and a ctkpcsc deamon that is most likely built on top of CTK.
But we have no idea if a successor for tokend is planned and whether such will be based on CTK.

WKR,
-f

On 04/27/2015 07:31 AM, Frank Marien wrote:
> Sorry Shawn, nothing personal, but that's what it looks like from our 
> perspective:
>
> - What road map? We're not going to go to a WWDC just to get two 
> simple answers (we don't have the time, the staff, and Apple is just 
> one platform we need to support).
>
> - They are really simple questions, but noone wants to commit to an 
> answer.
>
> > So unfortunate that you feel the need to slander that which you do 
> not know.
> And how can we 'know' what noone will tell us about?
>
> Since you obviously *do* care, please feel free to show it and answer 
> our year-long questions:
>
> (Frederik [in Bcc:], please correct/add, here's our chance)
>
> We need to keep supporting Middleware (pkcs#11 module for Firefox and 
> others, whatever-is-required for Safari) for the Belgian eID ; All the 
> frameworks we used to build have now been *deprecated* by Apple. We 
> now have no idea:
>
> - Whether Apple will not suddenly drop support entirely and we'll only 
> find out from an OSX pre-release.
>
> - How future versions of Key Chain/Safari will handle Smart Cards
>
> - Whether Apple *will* still support Smart Cards on a system level or 
> whether we'll have to "ship-our-own" support for that (we've tried 
> before to create tenable builds for SmartCardServices, ourselves, and 
> it looks like others are trying that road, as well - see Chris)
>
> - Whether to contact folks like Centrify and Thursby because Apple 
> will outsource all Smart Card support to them?
>
> - Whether Apple will suddenly produce a brand new Smart Card framework 
> that we have to scramble to support?
>
> WHAT do we need to do to keep supporting our national ID card on OSX, 
> now and for the "road map"pable future? (scope: at least the next 
> year, every year)
>
> Eagerly awaiting Frederik's additions and your enlightening revelations.
>
> WKR,
> Frank.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 04/27/2015 06:51 AM, Shawn Geddis wrote:
>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 1:48 PM, Frank Mariën <frank at apsu.be 
>> <mailto:frank at apsu.be>> wrote:
>>> Hello Chris,
>>> Chris Inacio schreef op 22/04/15 om 21:2359:
>>> From my POV of some years in a SmartCardServices-dependent project 
>>> (on OSX, at least, we support 2 other platforms), I can tell you 
>>> that Apple effectively doesn't care one damn bit. After our 
>>> years-long attempts at getting the slightest bit of information 
>>> about the largely invisible roadmap, we got.. zero response.. Even 
>>> mentioning the 11 million potential users didn't get their 
>>> attention.. My impression: Apple, being a US company, needs to 
>>> appear "patriotic" and "supporting the troops" etc.. so they cannot 
>>> help but support CAC cards, but otherwise, if you have a business 
>>> model based on anything smart-card related involving Apple Inc.. RUN 
>>> LIKE HELL!
>>> -f
>>
>> So unfortunate that you feel the need to slander that which you do 
>> not know.
>>
>> Apple does not provide OS roadmaps outside of what is provided at 
>> WWDC.  Other than that, none of your statements above are true with 
>> respect to Apple Inc. or myself as an Apple employee leading this 
>> project.
>>
>> - Shawn
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