[Xquartz-dev] X11 2.2.0_rc1

[Mark J. Reed]

>From my POV, sitting on the sidelines and mostly just wanting X to
work - which definitely includes being able to build stuff - Leopard
has been one long series of things that are broken because someone has
declared them outmoded.  I'm starting to feel a bit like Rodney
Copperbottom here, and while I know Jeremy's motives are purer than
Ratchet's, I don't think the attitude is helpful.
To me it comes down to this: are xmkmf/Imake still used in upstream
X.org?  If so, they should be there on Leopard.  It's not Apple's job
to correct infrastructure issues within the parent product.  If such
improvements fall naturally out of the work and you canhave them made
upstream, great, but the whole reason X11 on OS X exists at all is
compatibility.  Making it extra-incompatible, no matter how valid the
motivation, seems the wrong way to go.




On 4/8/08, Martin Costabel <costabel at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> Ben Byer wrote:
> []
> > How many packages are we even talking here?  I count about 27 macports
> > packages that use xmkmf, several of which are now completely defunct
> > (e.g. xmove);  I'm not sure how many Fink has, but I'd imagine it's not
> > too much more.  Maybe time would be better spent modernizing those
> > packages?
>
> Define "modernize". Changing the build system from xmkmf to something
> else requires a major change in the upstream sources. And many of these
> packages are characterized as "mature", meaning they haven't much
> changed for several years and there are no upstream developers any more
> who could organize such a major change. This doesn't mean they are no
> longer in use.
>
> So to me it is clear that xmkmf/imake and the other X11 utils that you
> kicked out from the latest xquartz release need to be kept. For Fink, I
> prepared an xmkmf package that uses the sources from the xorg X11R7.3
> release to supply the missing binary utils and the config files in
> lib/X11/config/. This works at least for building Xaw3d, transfig, and xfig.
>
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