[Xquartz-dev] xorg-server on Macports (works with Tiger)

[Jeremy Huddleston]

On Dec 20, 2008, at 03:06, Peter Dyballa wrote:

> Am 20.12.2008 um 11:26 schrieb Jeremy Huddleston:
>
>>>> Further, you should not have your own ~/.xinitrc.
>>>
>>> How does X11 launch my Emacsen, gkrellm, sunclock, xterms? Why has
>>> X11 to be so different from common X11?
>>
>> Define "common X11", and what exactly is "so different" ?
>
> Common is that X11 will present me an usable desktop with some  
> useful applications on it upon start or login.

Well, you can do that if you want.  The common use on OSX is that  
someone starts an X11 application and they just want that app... not a  
bunch of xterms, xeyes, etc...

> The difference is that your product is becoming a different thing,  
> an obscure kind of launch or open command that works invisibly and  
> launches an X server whenever someone tries to run an X client.

Well, you're on Tiger, so it's not behaving like that.  On Tiger (or  
on Leopard if you disable org.x.startx), it launches only if you run  
it manually... and then it runs whatever's in your ~/.xinitrc (or the  
system xinitrc).  That's exactly the same as it's been since Panther's  
X11-1.0.

> I want to have on one desktop or in one space my X11 desktop  
> (because GNU Emacs as X client is faster than I can type and read  
> and think and so *I* don't to have to wait until it's ready, which  
> is the other way 'round with the Cocoa and Carbon variants). And I  
> don't want to click around in Finder for some minutes until all my  
> stuff is finally launched. And how do I pass arguments to it? Why do  
> you want to steal the startup items from X11?

What do you mean "steal the startup items"?

> If your X product does not provide what other X products allow then  
> something is wrong with your product.

It does.  What other "X products" are you talking about?

>> Since you're using blackbox, enable fullscreen, and it'll be exactly
>> like your blackbox experience on BSD.  Or you can use the  
>> Applications
>> menu to launch applications...
>
> No, I don't want to think of opening that menu half a dozen times  
> every time I launch X11 to get my regular X11. X11 should not be  
> castrated to some application (X client) launcher. It's a windowing  
> system by its own hosted by Quartz, if that's the name of the Apple  
> windowing system in Mac OS X with the Aqua look.

In twm, you right click on the desktop and select the application to  
start.  In Gnome, you click the Applications menu and select the  
application to launch.  In KDE, you click on the K and select the  
application to launch.  How are any of those WMs any different?   
Further, you're using blackbox by your own choice, so if you don't  
like how you start applications in blackbox, then use something else.